MoviePlus X3: Wrong Fit Preview

[Gordon L]

At a late stage in editing we noticed a crop was needed on a particular shot. This is the situation:
The video had been exported to AVI and the AVI file imported into MVx3. As the movie cut from a CU to a Long shot I split the video in order to work on the long shot only. One split for the in, one for the out, thus creating a short clip of 0:01:07/20 dur.
Selected this new clip and chose Custom from the Fit drop down menu and attempted to crop but the Tool window showed only a still from before the split. Dragging the crop outline on this did affect the correct clip but is definitely showing the wrong one. For clarity: there are no frames in the selected clip that match the image in the Tool window. Screen shot attached which may help.

Anyone else had this sort of thing?

[vshears]

Sorry I cannot help this is a new one on me,
I assume that you had done some work on the exported AVI before you re-imported it back into MPX3? because otherwise my instinct would have been to do the crop on the original timeline and re-export.
Of course the export may be very long if it was a complicated edit, so doing it you way may reduce the time to complete?

[Gordon L]

Vic,
Thanks for your response.
Exactly - its a complicated drama edit which is improted into a wrap around programme. This was a quick fix at the last minute to save exporing the drama and re-importing.
However one should be able to cut a short section from any file and work on that with the correct preview, regardless of any of these other factors.
G.

[vshears]

As long as it is a type of file that the application accepts that is true, and in your example your AVI should fit the bill perfectly. Not sure what is happening in your example, hopefully someone with the required knowledge will respond soon ....... Jon White ?

[Jon White]

Hi Gordon,
The problem is twofold:
1. MoviePlus hasn't adjusted the crop keyframe times after splitting. The second clip's crop envelope still starts at the start of the first cilp.
2. The Pan and Zoom dialog shows the start and end frame of the clip, regardless of the actual position of the crop keyframes.
To work around the problem, open up second clip's crop envelope and move the first keyframe to the start of the clip (or just delete the crop envelope and do the pan and zoom again).
I'll try to get this this fixed for the next version.

[Gordon L]

Thank you Jon,
MoviePlus has been earning its keep many times over here this summer and its proved to be brilliant. Our location shoots were in bright light and, even with a seperate monitor, things got missed - particularly bits of operator's hair etc that should have been out of shot so MP has been fixing stuff left right and centre. Then there's been the creation of magical transformations, FX, loads of sound fixes and more.

Note to VIc: in the end I gave up trying to fix things on the AVI file and I'm just re-editing the original and will re-export that. Made sense in the end to have all the changes in the right place.

Thanks to both of you,
G.

[RichardS]

Originally Posted by Jon White 1. MoviePlus hasn't adjusted the crop keyframe times after splitting. The second clip's crop envelope still starts at the start of the first cilp.... To work around the problem, open up second clip's crop envelope and move the first keyframe to the start of the clip (or just delete the crop envelope and do the pan and zoom again).

If I'm understanding this, it is how MvP4 and MvP5 always behaved:

When you "split" a clip, the default first keyframe of the section of that clip after the split, always remains at the beginning of the section before that split.

Originally I used to drag these keyframes so that they aligned with the correct section, but could never see that this made any difference, so just left them alone.

This is the first time I've heard of problems.

[Gordon L]

Richard,
It can't be by design that when a clip is selected and the Fit menu is used that the fit preview displays a different clip.
G.

[Jon White]

Originally Posted by RichardS Originally I used to drag these keyframes so that they aligned with the correct section, but could never see that this made any difference, so just left them alone. This is the first time I've heard of problems.

It only makes a difference if you have more than one keyframe.
The problem is the pan & zoom dialog - it should move the first keyframe to the start of the clip. It works with trimmed clips, but not split ones.

[RichardS]

Originally Posted by Jon White It only makes a difference if you have more than one keyframe. The problem is the pan & zoom dialog - it should move the first keyframe to the start of the clip. It works with trimmed clips, but not split ones.

Thanks, I never use this fancy new pan & zoom tool: I still use the MvP4 method of inserting & manipulating keyframes.

Perhaps one day, I'll read the MvPx3 manual.

[vshears]

Originally Posted by RichardS Perhaps one day, I'll read the MvPx3 manual.

Probably the day before the release of MPX5

[RichardS]

Originally Posted by vshears Probably the day before the release of MPX5

Possibly just before the release of MvPzz5: The version which will process our visual memories to make movies look how we want to remember scenes; with the special zzz interface for capturing dreams.

Mustn't give away secrets.

[vshears]

I assume you have added the above to product suggestions Richard ;-)

[RichardS]

Originally Posted by vshears I assume you have added the above to product suggestions Richard ;-)

No, won't it add itself?

[kingell]

I'm having fun with AVHCD files from a Panasonic 3CCD camcorder.
They are being mixed with VOBs to form a composite video of a school's performance.
For speed purposes with rendering I render each separate file and then compound them in a major editing work.
The AVHCD files NEVER fit the widescreen frame and I have to extend the Y scale to 142%
The VOBs captured from DV tape are fine.
Also MVP does not recognise that the AVHCD files are widescreen and I have to adjust properties each time I add media.
And......
after a while they grey out and lose the pictures on the timeline.
I've defragged etc and find the only way at the moment I can prevent this is to save every few seconds and then reboot the programme when the pictures are lost.
I've done CTRL/Alt/Del and stopped all Microsoft's (and others'!!) rubbish but the problem prevails.
I'm also quite annoyed at the time it takes for proxy files to be written. What are they for and do I need them?
Regards to all.

[Jon White]

Originally Posted by kingell MVP does not recognise that the AVHCD files are widescreen and I have to adjust properties each time I add media.

What's the camera model?
Could you send us a short sample file?

[kingell]

Hi Jon
Well done! Quick reply!
Uploading shortly.
Regards

[kingell]

How does the upload work?
It says page under construction.
I'll upload to my website.
Wait a while
www.mikelockey.co.uk/serifmvp.html
The model is an HDC-SD5 3CCD camera recording to flash memory.
Regards

[kingell]

Hmmm - using webplus 4 - tells me I'm out of memory.
Giving up - I'm busy.
Sorry.
Regards

[kingell]

Right - fixed it and you can now download.
Just grabbed the smallest I could find - not sure what's on it - filmed by my grand-daughter.
Let me know how you get on.
Cheers