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Old 15th April 2010, 06:14 PM   #1
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Hi everyone,

This isn't specifically a WebPlus question (well part 4 is), but I wonder if anyone has any advice.

I have been asked by someone about producing a site with an 'entry page' - one of those pages with 'Click here to enter the site' on an image. She wants no/minimal text - ideally just the name of the business.

Now, I know it would look pretty, but... I remember a while ago reading that for search engine purposes this is not a good idea, as the rest of the site won't then be searched.

1. Is this/was this ever correct?
2. Does it make a difference if the image 'moves' - either as flash or as a rollover? (The page itself would not be a flash page, just the image)
3. I could probably talk her into having some text - how much, if it included keywords, is likely to be 'enough?' (Get out that piece of string I suppose!)
4. Is there a way, in WPx4, to make this page NOT the index.html page of the site, but still have it loading first? (I'm working on the basis here that that would overcome the issue of the site not being crawled past that page)

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For another forum member, he was persuaded to include a bit of text just for that purpose... SEO.

To exclude the entry page (index.html) from navigation, I named the first page home (home.html) and set up a navbar to exclude index.html.

Or you can make two sites.
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The simplest thing to do would be to talk them out of the idea.

Generally, the Index/Home page should be laid out like a newspaper/magazine with small snippets of info leading off to other pages in the site, eg Serif
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For another forum member, he was persuaded to include a bit of text just for that purpose... SEO.
You could make the text the same color as your page background....
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For another forum member, he was persuaded to include a bit of text just for that purpose... SEO.

To exclude the entry page (index.html) from navigation, I named the first page home (home.html) and set up a navbar to exclude index.html.

Or you can make two sites.
Thanks, mjh, I'll perhaps have a play with those ideas.

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You could make the text the same color as your page background....
I was under the impression that Google search engines do not like websites using hidden text and can damage your position if they find that on it .i.e same colour as the background! Well I do that sometimes but just knock the colour out one point on the RGB slider.
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I was under the impression that Google search engines do not like websites using hidden text and can damage your position if they find that on it .i.e same colour as the background! Well I do that sometimes but just knock the colour out one point on the RGB slider.
What you could do is make the background color in another program such as PhP or GIMP, export as JPG, and then use that as your background image, so that Google can't "read" your background color.

Just a thought, though. Never tried it as I tend to stay away from entry pages.
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I was under the impression that Google search engines do not like websites using hidden text and can damage your position if they find that on it .i.e same colour as the background! Well I do that sometimes but just knock the colour out one point on the RGB slider.
Agreed. Text has to have enough contrast to be readable, else I understand that searchengines like Google may not like it.
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The simplest thing to do would be to talk them out of the idea.
Yes, when she suggested it, I did say that it might not be such a good idea from a search point of view and that I would research it a bit further and get back to her.

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Yes, when she suggested it, I did say that it might not be such a good idea from a search point of view and that I would research it a bit further and get back to her.

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Has it arrived yet?

I'm only just in Norfolk by a few hundred yards
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Default Re: 'Click to enter site page' and its impact on SEO

It is not always easy to talk clients out of an intro page.

I tried with this site Which is almost completed, I am still uploading stock pages and making a few alteartions.

But note that it is all flash on the intro page, No hidden text either. The site has been live for only two weeks.

Type "ex rental tractors" into Google and it appears at No3 on page1, or It did for me a minute ago. Which I would think dispels the theory that Google doesn't like intro pages.
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It is not always easy to talk clients out of an intro page.

I tried with this site Which is almost completed, I am still uploading stock pages and making a few alteartions.

But note that it is all flash on the intro page, No hidden text either. The site has been live for only two weeks.

Type "ex rental tractors" into Google and it appears at No3 on page1, or It did for me a minute ago. Which I would think dispels the theory that Google doesn't like intro pages.
I think the issue is

1, can google read whatever text as in when it's all in a flash file?

2. how does it really add to the visitor's experience of the site itself?
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"It is not always easy to talk clients out of an intro page."


The client is always right, and they must be punished for it
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What you could do is make the background color in another program such as PhP or GIMP, export as JPG, and then use that as your background image, so that Google can't "read" your background color.

Just a thought, though. Never tried it as I tend to stay away from entry pages.
Hmmm, interesting thought - if a teensy bit sneaky!

Reminds me of a local gardener who when asked on a radio programme about home made insecticides, reminded everybody they were illegal, then gave the recipe, 'purely for historical interest.'

Anyway, a bit off topic there.

The background she wants would have to be made elsewhere, but I'm increasingly thinking I will go down the 'talking her out of it' route if I can. We had just talked about search engine friendly sites in general, and if this is a potential problem then I suppose it looks more professional to tell it like it is. On the other hand, if the lady's not for turning, it's nice to have a few options.

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What you could do is make the background color in another program such as PhP or GIMP, export as JPG, and then use that as your background image, so that Google can't "read" your background color.

Just a thought, though. Never tried it as I tend to stay away from entry pages.

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I don't like intro pages and I think from a consumer point of view neither do they, especially if it takes a while to load they will just back out and find a website that gets straight to the point instead. I would try to talk your client out of it if you can.
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Has it arrived yet?

I'm only just in Norfolk by a few hundred yards
Very 'grey' (but not really clouds as such) in the sky from late morning, on the North Norfolk Coast, but better inland. I wondered if it had blown down the East coast and missed further inland, but the bird bath looks very dusty - which it also did when we had the 'Sahara dust cloud' a couple of years ago.

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I don't like intro pages and I think from a consumer point of view neither do they, especially if it takes a while to load they will just back out and find a website that gets straight to the point instead.
Good point, I do it myself.

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It is not always easy to talk clients out of an intro page.

I tried with this site Which is almost completed, I am still uploading stock pages and making a few alteartions.

But note that it is all flash on the intro page, No hidden text either. The site has been live for only two weeks.

Type "ex rental tractors" into Google and it appears at No3 on page1, or It did for me a minute ago. Which I would think dispels the theory that Google doesn't like intro pages.
If the client won't be swayed then thats what you have to do.

That's a nifty intro, but I cannot see the point of them.
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I would tell your client it is up to them but you advise against it for the following reasons:

1/ Not search engine friendly

2/ Slows the user down, potentially leave the website before they have even entered

3/ Its not really the modern thing to do anymore, seen it before its nothing special.

then if they want it they can have it.
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