PagePlus X6: End notes at end of Book ?

[AllanP]

Thinking about the project I'm currently working on...

I know that PPX5 allows you to insert fotnotes or endnotes, and that the end notes come at the end of the story in which they are referenced.

Now in some books I've seen all the end notes grouped together at the end of the book, rather than at the end of each chapter. I was wondering if there's a way to do that in PagePlus X6/BookPlus?

Any thoughts on the possibility of doing this?

regards,
Allan

[Bhikkhu Pesala]

Another reason for not using BookPlus — see my reply to your other thread.

If all chapters are in one publication, the endnotes can only be placed at the end of the story, so you should link all of the chapters together as one Story (one unbroken series of text frames). Edit the Heading paragraph styles to force page breaks if you want to start a new chapter on a new page. Delete the first text frame of a chapter if its on a left-hand page and you want the chapter to start on the right-hand page.

[AllanP]

Again, thanks for response on this, Bhikkhu.

I suspected that the answer would be to link all the chapters into one continuous story.

Not certain if I'll need this approach in the project I'm working on. This was more of a general inquiry in case I found myself havinbg to deal with end notes.

Perhaps we could do with a tutorial on "Creating Large Multi-Chapter Publications"? ;-)
Or maybe a checklist of all the things to consider when setting up something like this in PagePlus?

regards,
Allan

[AllanP]

Originally Posted by Bhikkhu Pesala Another reason for not using BookPlus — see my reply to your other thread. If all chapters are in one publication, the endnotes can only be placed at the end of the story, so you should link all of the chapters together as one Story (one unbroken series of text frames). Edit the Heading paragraph styles to force page breaks if you want to start a new chapter on a new page. Delete the first text frame of a chapter if its on a left-hand page and you want the chapter to start on the right-hand page.

Just a thought on this - I haven't had the chance to try it, but it might be an alternative to linking all the individual stories into one...

generate the end notes for each story, but force a new page/frame at the end of each story so that the end notes appear in a separate frame;
then move each of these end note frames to a specific page(s) you've left for listing the end notes after the last story;
resize/.place these endnote frames as required to create a list of end botes for the who;e multi-story publication;
within each story set the endnote numbering to start 1 after the number of the end note in the previous story...

requires a bit of work, I guess, but it sounds like it would produce the intended result.

regards,
Allan

[azzags]

Hello Bikkhu, I've been studying your tutorial 'creating a list of illustrations in Pageplus'. Seems like a great idea but I'm clearly fundamentally misunderstanding endnotes. In short, I'm:

putting 3 text frames on a page;
dragging a photo into each frame;
putting beneath the photo a caption: "figure no." followed by and endnote using the dialogue box input you show in your tutorial screen-shot.

but I'm just getting "figure 1" (and another "1" beneath) in each text frame. Please can you point out the error of my ways?

Many thanks, Garry.

[Bhikkhu Pesala]

The endnote "story" must flow through all three frames.

[azzags]

Thanks. On the attached file, pls can you explain why the endnote 'insert' button is greyed out (i.e. cannot insert an endnote for figure 2)?
Also, why is there an extra "1" beneath the text "figure 1"
Thank you, Garry.

[Bhikkhu Pesala]

Its greyed out because you cannot insert an endnote in an endnote. If you open WritePlus from the text frame below figure 2, you will see that the cursor is in the Notes pane.

When you insert an Endnote, there is one number in the text of the story, which is the reference, and one matching number in the list of endnotes at the end of the story. The story in the text frame below figure 1 ends right there — what you see in the frame below figure 2, is the word "Figure" typed in the endnote, not in the text frame.

Start over. Create the three connect text frames first, type the word "Figure" in three paragraphs then Insert the three endnotes at the end of each paragraph, typing the caption description in each endnote.

Then insert your graphics or picture frames and anchor one to each text frame.

[Geoff Blanthorn]

Originally Posted by azzags Thanks. On the attached file, pls can you explain why the endnote 'insert' button is greyed out (i.e. cannot insert an endnote for figure 2)? Also, why is there an extra "1" beneath the text "figure 1" Thank you, Garry.

Garry,

There is not an "Extra" 1, that is the endnote, which must start, in order to be identified, with the same number in the text referencing the endnote.

Are you sure you are doing this project the best way? Do you really want, what I presume to be the captions to the pictures, to be grouped all together at the end of the publication, and not appear adjacent to the pictures?

If you want a caption below each picture, you do not need to use endnotes or footnotes.

Please give more details of exactly what this project is and what layout you are aiming at. I'm a bit confused at present!

Geoff

[Bhikkhu Pesala]

Originally Posted by Geoff Blanthorn If you want a caption below each picture, you do not need to use endnotes or footnotes.

No, he doesn't have to, as I say in my tutorial, which is what he is asking about.

One way to do this is to use a paragraph numbering style for the captions. Another method is to use endnotes. This has the added benefit of automatically creating a list of illustrations at the end of the story.

If you try the tutorial for yourself you will see that the captions are placed next to the pictures (above or below), and the list of illustrations is collected at the end of the story.

[azzags]

Thanks for your response, Geoff.
As you say, I am prob. not doing this the 'right' way, but was just trying Bhikku's tutorial out of interest - as part of trying to get my head round PPX6. It's fairly intuitive, but when pictures start flying off somewhere and you just can't work out why it can drive you nuts - as I'm sure you know from the help you offer on this forum!
Here's what I would actually like to achieve:
I have music score graphics on the left-hand page of a double-page spread, each graphic has a manually generated reference number (a "CD track no. ..." which may not be sequential).
I want to make automatic numeric references to those graphics on the right-hand page, in such a way that, should I change the LH page ref. number, the RH page number will automatically update.

I hope I've been lucid here! I'm open to other approaches (as noted in my reply to Bhikkhu).

Cheers, Garry.

Hope this clarifies the ultimate aim.

[azzags]

Thank you Bhikkhu, got there in the end! As you say, using Writeplus clarifies what is going on/wrong.

I've noted to Geoff what I'm ultimately aiming for, in terms of automated numbering within Pageplus. I'd be interested if you have any thoughts.
In your tutorial 'creating a list of illustrations in Pageplus', you refer to the possibility of using 'a paragraph numbering style for the captions', but don't elaborate. Was this in relation to possible numbering automation (i.e. linking a graphic ref. 'figure x' to a linked ref. elsewhere in the text body)?
Many thanks, Garry.

[Bhikkhu Pesala]

A numbered list increments automatically, so all you have to do is add more paragraphs as you flow the story through more captions. If you need to skip a number, you can use the restart numbering option and enter a number of your choice.

[azzags]

OK, thanks, I get you.
Garry.