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Old 23rd June 2009, 11:21 PM   #1
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It seems to me that rather than letting a perfectly usable, and completely delightful, program such as ImpactPlus fall by the wayside, an alternative might be to offer it up to open source and see if anyone out there is willing to take it on.

What about it, Serif?
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Old 23rd June 2009, 11:24 PM   #2
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And for the record, this program is so perfectly suited to MoviePlus, I simply cannot understand why Serif have not considered updating it a little bit and bundling it with the aforementioned program.
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This forum is now in the category "Older Software".
For me Serif's answer is clear enough.
Time to look for alternatives.
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Old 25th June 2009, 10:18 PM   #4
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It seems to me that rather than letting a perfectly usable, and completely delightful, program such as ImpactPlus fall by the wayside, an alternative might be to offer it up to open source and see if anyone out there is willing to take it on.
I think that a major hurdle to making ImpactPlus an open source project would be the modules and code that Serif licensed from other companies. Without those modules and code, open sourcing Serif's part of IP woudn't be advantageous.

Then trying to find a developer to reconstruct the functions of the modlues and code in a "clean" environment to avoid copyright and patent infringement...

I suppose OSing IP could be done. I also think it probably won't be done, as it would be a cost to Serif with no "reward".

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I think that a major hurdle to making ImpactPlus an open source project would be the modules and code that Serif licensed from other companies. Without those modules and code, open sourcing Serif's part of IP woudn't be advantageous.

Then trying to find a developer to reconstruct the functions of the modlues and code in a "clean" environment to avoid copyright and patent infringement...

I suppose OSing IP could be done. I also think it probably won't be done, as it would be a cost to Serif with no "reward".

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I didn't realize that Serif had licensed any part of ImpactPlus. You're right, that would make it more difficult, if not impossible. Perhaps another suggestion then: at least use the Workshop part of the program within one of their other programs. I think they should add it to PagePlus, and give us some real three dimensional objects within that environment. Considering that is probably one of the modules you're talking about, I suppose it's pointless to go that route. Still, it seems a darn shame to let such a nice program fade into oblivion. :-(
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Hello Sixwheels.
I`ve just joined this forum tonight (I`ve just found it)
I`ve had a copy of Impulse Plus5 for a couple of years now but have never used it,untill about a week or so. But I had no idea the program was no longer being developed. What a pity. It`s a great program.
It`s like that other great graphic prog that has gone.It was called Imagine brought out by Impulse Inc and used on the Amiga range of computers,do you remember it?
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I didn't realize that Serif had licensed any part of ImpactPlus. You're right, that would make it more difficult, if not impossible. Perhaps another suggestion then: at least use the Workshop part of the program within one of their other programs. I think they should add it to PagePlus, and give us some real three dimensional objects within that environment. Considering that is probably one of the modules you're talking about, I suppose it's pointless to go that route. Still, it seems a darn shame to let such a nice program fade into oblivion. :-(
Can`t we send a petition to Serif asking them to carry on developing this program----it`s a thought.
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Can`t we send a petition to Serif asking them to carry on developing this program----it`s a thought.
Could.

But look at how few posts there are in the ImpactPlus forum. That might be a very rough clue as to how many people are not using IP. There seems to be little to no incentive for Serif to persue IP.
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But look at how few posts there are in the ImpactPlus forum. That might be a very rough clue as to how many people are not using IP.
It might be. Alternatively, it might just be a clue as to how many people have decided that Serif have abandoned any plans to develop the program further, in which case requesting that bugs be fixed or features be added would be a waste of time and effort.

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I am a great fan of IP and have seen some amazing things produced with it, in the hands of the SUGs resident IP expert Deekaybe it can be awesome. With that in mind I have gone to great lengths to find out if the old work horse has any future. Sadly for the reasons mentioned by Jim B and the manpower needed to continually improve the core products the answer is that it will most likely never be developed further.

It does make a fab companion to MoviePlus but again it comes down to licence.

3D apps have moved on a long way and if that is your thing the market is busting with software from specialist houses and coming from a die hard Serif boy like me it is such a shame that IP is gathering dust on shelves around the world.

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Hello Sixwheels.
I`ve just joined this forum tonight (I`ve just found it)
I`ve had a copy of Impulse Plus5 for a couple of years now but have never used it,untill about a week or so. But I had no idea the program was no longer being developed. What a pity. It`s a great program.
It`s like that other great graphic prog that has gone.It was called Imagine brought out by Impulse Inc and used on the Amiga range of computers,do you remember it?
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I not only remember it, I had a copy of it. You're right, it was a terrific program. Sad to think how many really good programs died with the Amiga computer. All good things come to an end, I suppose.
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I've looked at a lot of other 3D applications, and the majority of them are just way too complicated (even the supposedly simple ones). The only one that comes close is Art Of Illusion, I think.
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The Amiga was awesome and it it's day far surpassed the PC for graphics and music. I bought my son the Amega 500+ and it just a great piece of kit. Deluxe draw was a terrific drawing package that came bundled with it. Sort of DrawPlus of it's time (about 22 years ago if my memory serves me right)

Amiga was taken over and repackaged as Escom but closed down in 95. There was a power PC based "Amiga one" up until 2005.

Amiga was on of the first computers to bring 3D apps to the home user. One program was Blender, still going strong
http://www.blender.org/
and so is lightwave, another Amiga pioneered 3D app
http://www.newtek.com/lightwave/ (takes ages to load up and possibly not worth the wait)

I find the new wave of 3D creation software very confusing but there is a strong following on the SUGs site if you want some good advice from fellow users.
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Hi aNDI.
I took a look at the two web sites you posted,Blender and Lightwave. I think Blender,for me, seems the better. LightWave took a few seconds to down load,very fast.
One other 3D progs` that was used on the Amiga was Cinema3D,which I found easier to use than Imagine ever was.
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Me again.
I forgot to ask you in my last post.Can you tell me what is the SUG site please.
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Actually, the program was called Cinema4D, and today I still considering it to be the best 3D package I ever owned. I still have, even though all my Amiga computers are defunct, an Amiga Toaster device with the original Lightwave Software on diskettes. I keep thinking I should sell them on Ebay, but I can't imagine anyone wanting them nowadays.
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I owned an Amiga 500, then went to an Amiga 4000, then purchased a PowerPC card for the 4000 and used it until it died. I was quite the Amiga enthusiast, and still hold a warm place in my heart for that system. I owned quite a few paint programs for the Amiga, including one called Brilliance, which was maybe the best paint program I ever owned. There was another 3D program made by the same people who gave us Imagine called Aladin4D. It was quite good also. Good times; good memories.
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I still have the above mentioned Amiga 500+ with a Phillips monitor, extra drive, controllers etc plus a box full of boxed games, cover disks from mags and extras. I will never part with it but it would all probably fetch under a tenner on EBay.

I also have an apple 11a, who remembers 51/2 inch floppy disks?

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Actually, the program was called Cinema4D, and today I still considering it to be the best 3D package I ever owned. I still have, even though all my Amiga computers are defunct, an Amiga Toaster device with the original Lightwave Software on diskettes. I keep thinking I should sell them on Ebay, but I can't imagine anyone wanting them nowadays.
Hi Sixwheels.
I stand corrected.It was indeed cinema 4D,and like you I thought it the best prog for 3D ever. I too have all the disks,and manuals and Amiga computers. Just can`t bring my self to part with them.
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