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Old 21st July 2013, 02:37 AM   #1
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2013/07/20
Hi There,

I had a question about the Shapes feature / option.

I use shapes a lot in making cards. One of my most common uses for shapes is making a border to apply a brush to. I was making a "condolences" card the other day and I would really have liked a shape in the form of a cross. I know there is one shape that is called a "Quick Cross" but it is really a plus sign ("+") and can't be used for a Christian Cross because the crossbeam is not adjustable in height.

I realize that my suggestion would not work very well in terms of being part of the Shape feature that everyone gets as part of CA2.

So my question is: "Would Serif ever consider some specialized Add-on shapes for special interest applications?" Maybe a freebie or inexpensive Add-On of religious symbol shapes for download that would fit seamlessly with CA2? Because you really can't even get a Star of David out of the Quick Star, even though you can get a six pointed star out of it, because it is not essentially, two equilateral triangles superimposed over each other.

Maybe Serif could poll the current customers to see what shapes they would like to have in the religious shapes Add-On.

Thanks, David
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I was making a "condolences" card the other day and I would really have liked a shape in the form of a cross. I know there is one shape that is called a "Quick Cross" but it is really a plus sign ("+") and can't be used for a Christian Cross because the crossbeam is not adjustable in height.
Although the Quick Cross can't be used for a Christian Cross while it is still a QuickShape, it's easily adjustable after you convert it to curves (either via the 'Convert to Curves' button on the Arrange tab or the corresponding option on the Tools menu). In 'Edit Points' mode, draw out a marquee around the nodes of the crossbeam, and then click and drag any of the selected nodes upwards (holding down the Shift key to constrain the movement to the vertical).

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you really can't even get a Star of David out of the Quick Star, even though you can get a six pointed star out of it, because it is not essentially, two equilateral triangles superimposed over each other
To construct your own Magen David, simply superimpose two equilateral triangles over each other! The Quick Polygon is a pentagon by default but moving the top node slider all the way to the left will give you a triangle. If you hold down the Shift key when dragging out the shape on the page, you'll start with a regular pentagon and end up with an equilateral triangle. Copy and paste (or Ctrl-click and hold) to put a second copy exactly on top of the first, and then rotate one of them by 60° (or 120° or 180°) for the desired result; once again, you can drag while holding down the Shift key (in this case, constraining the angle to a multiple of 15°).

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Hi David,

Although the Quick Cross can't be used for a Christian Cross while it is still a QuickShape, it's easily adjustable after you convert it to curves (either via the 'Convert to Curves' button on the Arrange tab or the corresponding option on the Tools menu). In 'Edit Points' mode, draw out a marquee around the nodes of the crossbeam, and then click and drag any of the selected nodes upwards (holding down the Shift key to constrain the movement to the vertical).

To construct your own Magen David, simply superimpose two equilateral triangles over each other! The Quick Polygon is a pentagon by default but moving the top node slider all the way to the left will give you a triangle. If you hold down the Shift key when dragging out the shape on the page, you'll start with a regular pentagon and end up with an equilateral triangle. Copy and paste (or Ctrl-click and hold) to put a second copy exactly on top of the first, and then rotate one of them by 60° (or 120° or 180°) for the desired result; once again, you can drag while holding down the Shift key (in this case, constraining the angle to a multiple of 15°).

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Flipping horizontally might be quicker and easier than rotating.
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Flipping horizontally might be quicker and easier than rotating.
Well, yes — flipping might well be quicker and easier, but a triangular Quick Polygon starts with a horizontal base, so the flipping would need to be vertical.

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Well, yes — flipping might well be quicker and easier, but a triangular Quick Polygon starts with a horizontal base, so the flipping would need to be vertical.

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I wrote vertically to start with, then changed it. I always seem to get it wrong! But are you sure you're right? Surely it needs to be flipped on the horizontal axis?
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I wrote vertically to start with, then changed it.
I'm not surprised. It's quite difficult to write vertically, especially on a forum!

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I always seem to get it wrong! But are you sure you're right? Surely it needs to be flipped on the horizontal axis?
It needs to be flipped about the horizontal axis, but the flipping is vertical (i.e. up and down).

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I'm not surprised. It's quite difficult to write vertically, especially on a forum!

It needs to be flipped about the horizontal axis, but the flipping is vertical (i.e. up and down).

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OK - so which icon do you click? The one that shows vertical flipping is labelled as horizontal, isn't it? I don't have access to the software right now, so I cannot check.
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OK - so which icon do you click? The one that shows vertical flipping is labelled as horizontal, isn't it? I don't have access to the software right now, so I cannot check.
The icon for 'Flip horizontal' has two tall triangles, side by side, indicating that the swap will be left to right rather than top to bottom.

Now that you come to mention it, DrawPlus has these icons on its Standard toolbar, but CraftArtist only has them on the Arrange tab, so flipping might not actually be much quicker than rotating. I tend to use 'Ctrl-click and hold' to duplicate things, anyway, so I find that moving to the rotation paddle or a corner of the object is quicker than mousing away to find an icon to click on.

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2013/07/21
Hi Alfred,

The directions for moving the crossbeam of the "Quick Cross" UP and still being able to apply a Brush - were absolutely BRILLIANT! Thank you so much!

The issue I have regarding the Magen David is that having the two equilateral triangles means having two shapes, each with their own brush border. So each one would have to be converted to a bitmap (or picture for CA2) and then positioned correctly over each other. Then where the brush is no longer "along the outside," it will have to be erased, so that the brush (i.e. flowered brush for example) stays on the border of the image and not on the interior portions. (See images.) Unless I didn't understand your post.

Thanks, David
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Hi Ali,

Thank you very much for your input as well.

Now I can't remember if I rotated the triangle or flipped it! But I appreciate your reply.

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The directions for moving the crossbeam of the "Quick Cross" UP and still being able to apply a Brush - were absolutely BRILLIANT! Thank you so much!
You're welcome, David. Like so many things, it's easy when you know how!

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The issue I have regarding the Magen David is that having the two equilateral triangles means having two shapes, each with their own brush border. So each one would have to be converted to a bitmap (or picture for CA2) and then positioned correctly over each other. Then where the brush is no longer "along the outside," it will have to be erased, so that the brush (i.e. flowered brush for example) stays on the border of the image and not on the interior portions. (See images.) Unless I didn't understand your post.
In my earlier post I quoted from your OP, where you had written:
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you really can't even get a Star of David out of the Quick Star, even though you can get a six pointed star out of it, because it is not essentially, two equilateral triangles superimposed over each other
I took it from this that you wanted to apply a brush stroke to all of the lines in the Magen David, not just the six-pointed star around the perimeter. If you want to apply a brush stroke to the perimeter without affecting the interior lines, I think you need a separate shape. For the example in the attached screenshot, I created an equilateral triangle, copied and pasted it, and rotated the copy; I then pasted again and used the controls on the Context toolbar to swap the three-sided Quick Polygon for a six-sided Quick Star, with the angles adjusted as shown.

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You're welcome, David. Like so many things, it's easy when you know how!
Well, YOU are certainly the man with the know-how!!!

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If you want to apply a brush stroke to the perimeter without affecting the interior lines, I think you need ... a six-sided Quick Star, with the angles adjusted as shown.

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What I did per your instructions Alfred, was choose the Quick Star, set it to 6 points and then set the Minor Radius to 57% and the Inner Radius to 71% and apply the Brush - and the resulting Magen David image with the Brush applied to the perimeter only, was perfect! Just what I wanted.

Thank you so much for your help.

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What I did per your instructions Alfred, was choose the Quick Star, set it to 6 points and then set the Minor Radius to 57% and the Inner Radius to 71% and apply the Brush - and the resulting Magen David image with the Brush applied to the perimeter only, was perfect! Just what I wanted.

Thank you so much for your help.
You're very welcome, David. Thank you for the attachment: I can barely recognize the letters of the Hebrew alphabet, so I was pleasantly surprised to be able to read and understand 'Todah rabah'!

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Hi Alfred,

You've got to love that "Text on a Path" function of Craft Artist!

Although putting Hebrew in can be a bit of a challenge since CA is Left to Right ...

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Hi Alfred,

Now that I think of it, I'll be able to do some Hebrew "Text on a Path" along a Magen David! Sooooo KEWL!!!

I'll have to start working on that right away.

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Hi Alfred,

Here's the first Text on a Path that I came up with using the Magen David.

It's "Maoz Tsur" for Chanukkah.

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Hi Alfred,

Here's the first Text on a Path that I came up with using the Magen David.

It's "Maoz Tsur" for Chanukkah.

David
Very impressive, if not very seasonal! Now all you need to do is fit in the rest of the words....

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Hi Alfred,

Thanks.

As you can tell, I won't be working on my Chanukkah cards on November 27th!

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