Thought the paid one would work

[magiceye]

Tried the free Panaorama was not impressed, now on X4 and paid for, thought it would be different entirely, all that has changed is not constant pestering about upgrading. Why did i bother, it sucks, sorry but it does not pick up and allow for anything other than perfection which you could do in the lens in one shot, no flexibility, just a frustrating message about no reference points. Sorry Serif this is a failure, big time.

[alspar]

Originally Posted by magiceye .... message about no reference points.

All panorama stitching programs (including those inbuilt into digital cameras) require matching reference points.
In other words the images on adjacent pictures must overlap - usually by as much as 20% - for the stitching to work.

[magiceye]

I appreciate what you have said and totally understand that reasoning and requirement for the program to function. My recent capture was one of the same person three times on a balcony, with reference points all along and plenty of overlap, it made no difference the program could not stitch them together. It appears that it can only deal with the most basic of vistas which for the price I can understand, but what I do not understand is when there are the overlaps and points in all individual pictures then why does it not do what it says on the tin every time, to get a message and not able to move on is frustrating and basically "cheating" the customer.

[Geoff Blanthorn]

Originally Posted by magiceye My recent capture was one of the same person three times on a balcony, with reference points all along and plenty of overlap,

Were they all taken from the same position?

Geoff

[Ali]

Originally Posted by magiceye I appreciate what you have said and totally understand that reasoning and requirement for the program to function. My recent capture was one of the same person three times on a balcony, with reference points all along and plenty of overlap, it made no difference the program could not stitch them together. It appears that it can only deal with the most basic of vistas which for the price I can understand, but what I do not understand is when there are the overlaps and points in all individual pictures then why does it not do what it says on the tin every time, to get a message and not able to move on is frustrating and basically "cheating" the customer.

Can you perhaps attach low-res versions of the three images here? By seeing them, someone may be able to spot what the problem is. Did you use a tripod when taking the pictures?

[Ali]

Originally Posted by TylerDust I am very appreciated

Welcome to the forums! I am glad that you are appreciated. Which Serif titles do you use and how?

[Photo Pete]

I have the same problem when using photos from my high end Nikon D700 DSLR, but I don't have a problem when I use my pocket camera Fuji FinePix E510. With the Nikon the PanoramaPlus can't even detect similar features in two almost identical photos when taken from exactly the same position, whereas with the Fuji, PanoramaPlus seems to be able to stitch photos of the same scene, with possible only 10% overlap, but taken in slightly different locations.

[Geoff Blanthorn]

Originally Posted by Photo Pete I have the same problem when using photos from my high end Nikon D700 DSLR,

Does changing the sensitivity on File/Preferences help?

Geoff

[alspar]

There must be movement to the side when each picture is taken - overlap of 20-30% is probably best...

Originally Posted by magiceye ... My recent capture was one of the same person three times on a balcony, with reference points all along and plenty of overlap, it made no difference the program could not stitch them together. .

For this to have a chance of working (presumably to show the same person standing on the balcony 3 times) - the person must not be in any of the overlapping parts of the pictures.

Originally Posted by Photo Pete .. With the Nikon the PanoramaPlus can't even detect similar features in two almost identical photos when taken from exactly the same position, ....

If there is not sufficient movement to the side there is no panorama - just two pictures of the same view.

Panorama plus can only stitch left to right (or right to left) - it cannot extract parts of one picture and insert it in another.

[AlfredP]

Originally Posted by alspar Panorama plus can only stitch left to right (or right to left)

Or top to bottom (or bottom to top).

Alfred

[Geoff Blanthorn]

Originally Posted by AlfredP Or top to bottom (or bottom to top). Alfred

And/or top to bottom (or bottom to top).

Geoff

[Photo Pete]

Originally Posted by Geoff Blanthorn Does changing the sensitivity on File/Preferences help? Geoff

Hi Geoff,

Sadly no, even on the most sensitive setting I still get the same outcome.

[Photo Pete]

Originally Posted by alspar If there is not sufficient movement to the side there is no panorama - just two pictures of the same view. Panorama plus can only stitch left to right (or right to left) - it cannot extract parts of one picture and insert it in another.

Hi Alspar,

Sorry, I think you've missed my point.

You can use the two cameras to take an identical series of photos of the same scene, PanoPlus will stitch the Fuji photos, but not the Nikon ones. The only difference between the two sets of photos is that Nikons jpegs are about 3 times the size (in Mb) of the Fuji.

[alspar]

Originally Posted by Photo Pete Hi Alspar, Sorry, I think you've missed my point. You can use the two cameras to take an identical series of photos of the same scene, PanoPlus will stitch the Fuji photos, but not the Nikon ones. The only difference between the two sets of photos is that Nikons jpegs are about 3 times the size (in Mb) of the Fuji.

Sorry Photo Pete - I read the quote literally and not in relation to those photos taken with the other camera.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Photo Pete
.. With the Nikon the PanoramaPlus can't even detect similar features in two almost identical photos when taken from exactly the same position, ....

Available memory may be a consideration with the larger photos? or possibly the RAW format?

[alspar]

Originally Posted by AlfredP Or top to bottom (or bottom to top). Alfred

Originally Posted by Geoff Blanthorn And/or top to bottom (or bottom to top). Geoff

Hi Alfred and Geoff

There is never any mention or illustrations of vertical panoramas in the help or on the Website - but I've just tried it and it works (of course).

Thanks

[Geoff Blanthorn]

Originally Posted by alspar Hi Alfred and Geoff There is never any mention or illustrations of vertical panoramas in the help or on the Website - but I've just tried it and it works (of course). Thanks

Several of the supplied samples illustrate that feature.

Geoff

[alspar]

Originally Posted by Geoff Blanthorn Several of the supplied samples illustrate that feature. Geoff

They do too! - Thanks Geoff.

I really must learn to check out samples!

[ggrussell]

Don't think size has anything to do with it. Recently bought a Sony A65 which does panoramas in the camera. I use PanoPlus to stitch two panoramas together vertically. Each file was 8192 X 1856. I was using the Starter Edition, too.

The attached is , of course, reduced so I could post it.

[FoG]

Originally Posted by magiceye I appreciate what you have said and totally understand that reasoning and requirement for the program to function. My recent capture was one of the same person three times on a balcony, with reference points all along and plenty of overlap, it made no difference the program could not stitch them together. It appears that it can only deal with the most basic of vistas which for the price I can understand, but what I do not understand is when there are the overlaps and points in all individual pictures then why does it not do what it says on the tin every time, to get a message and not able to move on is frustrating and basically "cheating" the customer.

for what it is worth you would be better off with a panorama of the balcony ans a background then three shots of the person blended in layers onto this in photoplus with a person the prog will try to use them in all points as a main focal point unless you use others manually which you then may end up with ghosting the technique you are trying for is muliplicity i take it ? usually this is several shots overlayng each other and using layer masks to create the effect still possible in panorama but then needing the extra work in photoplus... done right it looks lovely takes patience mind you lol ...hope this helps